Getting an elements coordinates (offset() issues)

What is the best way to get the position of an element relative to the document (accounting for margins as well)?

I would like to position another element over it. I'm using the offset() function but i am running into issues

1. The values for top & left returned in IE 8 (perhaps other versions) are incorrect.

2. Offset() doesn't take into account margins of the element. And when margins are set to auto i cannot seem to get the correct margin values to use

Thanks for the help.

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