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arvgta

jQuery and the mid-tier - PHP vs. Python

in Using jQuery • 9 years ago

Hello all,

I love jQuery and according to Google Trends:

http://www.google.com/trends/topcharts#vm=chart&cid=programming_languages&geo=US&date=201309

its popularity is still rising, which is great!

I've been using Wordpress + PHP in conjunction with jQuery plugins.

According to Google Trends, Wordpress is still rising in popularity, whereas PHP - I don't know - am a bit worried. To make things worse, two top-notch developers I know say Python is the most modern and powerful language around and the way to go.

I've basically got two or three main questions (they should be interesting for lot's of people):

1) Is it worth switching from PHP to Python? (I'm currently only married to Wordpress with little own stuff in PHP, but it would be a bit of a migration. My webhost supports both PHP and Python for free)

2) Is there something like "Wordpress for Python"? Or even a better CMS in the Python world?

3) Is jQuery biased in its communications to either PHP/Python? Maybe someone could briefly illustrate, what an Ajax handshake with Python looks like. (With PHP and thanks to the beauty of jQuery it's really easy)

You might be asking - what about Java, which is the top-notch programming language worldwide?

There's three reasons I'm not inclined to Java:

- Google itself seems to prefer Python over Java in the long run (I saw so in recruiting ads)

- Java is sort-of now "owned" by Oracle whereas I understand that Python and PHP are not at all proprietary and thus free to evolve with higher dynamics

- Python and PHP are geared more at the web-frontend (which is my current inclination), whereas Java is geared at everything imaginable.

Thanks in advance!

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dsvick

Re: jQuery and the mid-tier - PHP vs. Python

9 years ago

You have two "top notch" developers who, in their opinion, say python is better. I'll guarantee you there are thousands more that will weigh in on both sides and the whole thing will rapidly devolve into a shouting match. Neither one is going anywhere anytime soon so I'd pick one and go with it. On the other hand, there is no reason you can't learn both. A lot of it will end up based on what you want to do and if one or the other is better for that task.

For question 2 I don't use word press so don't know.

Question 3: jQuery is JavaScript . All it is does is make it easier to do things. At its core jQuery uses regular JavaScript to do everythign and there is no bias between the two in regular JavaScript, so there isn't any in jQuery either.

I wouldn't get too wrapped up in using the "best" or most cutting edge language at this point, or any point actually. What is best is so subjective as to not matter, and what is cutting edge changes so slowly in the software world, that you have plenty of time to sit back and watch the dust settle. Case in point - the primary server side language we use here is classic asp.

Dave

arvgta

Re: jQuery and the mid-tier - PHP vs. Python

9 years ago

Thanks Dave, much appreciated!

So question 3) is answered - no bias - that's good - speaks for JS and jQuery!

Just to clarify things - I was also inclined to Microsoft technologies at the time, due to the specific university however (because you're bringing in ASP).

It would be interesting to hear what the very young people who are currently learning programming say?

Currently, if we read the news, there ought to be a great inclination towards "open" technologies, as they rule out e.g. "back doors".

It's also very interesting that you say neither Python or PHP is going to take over the mid-tier...

I think PHP is not going to take over anything but is very approachable and easy,

But e.g. Google seems to be betting on Python.

Any other opinions?

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jay.blanc..

Re: jQuery and the mid-tier - PHP vs. Python

9 years ago

Take over?

PHP is used by 81.3% of all the websites whose server-side programming language we know.

http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all

Python is used by 0.2% of all the websites whose server-side programming language we know.

http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-python/all/all

And finally, a side-by-side comparison - http://w3techs.com/technologies/comparison/pl-php,pl-python

Learn both and then use the right tool for the job.

arvgta

Re: jQuery and the mid-tier - PHP vs. Python

9 years ago

Hi Jay,

Thanks!

I wasn't aware of that - well then there's really no reason to switch at all :-)

(Do you think Python is all academic then?)

http://www.google.com/trends/topcharts#vm=chart&cid=programming_languages&geo=US&date=201309

Please have another look at the most recent above statistics - I was just worried, because Google Trends states that Python has just "overtaken" PHP lately.

I suppose Python is now used for lot's of other things than towards the front-end then...

As far as my site is concerned, I thought I had to decide for one or the other.

But that's great then, I'll definitely not switch!

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jay.blanc..

Re: jQuery and the mid-tier - PHP vs. Python

9 years ago

Keep in mind that "trending" is not the same as "occupying". Then compare the rest of the stats. PHP is very solidly entrenched and is not going anywhere soon. Python would have to trend steadily for many years before it took a significant share of the market from PHP.

Do I think Python is academic? No. I do think that Python does some things better than PHP and and is especially better suited for applications programming rather than a website middle-tier.

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